Queer views xplain
When I say gay or Queer I also mean Lesbian except when noted otherwise.
All things combined from the human rights criticisms to the gay's anti assimilation arguments (which arent in my other set of blogs) to the breadtube post below etc combined are close to my view that gays having rights now like same sex marriage is wrong because that makes it too easy for them compared to gays of the past who had it harder
The views on gays I write in my posts here ,here, here, here, here (replaces tn marriage bill views in this blog)
and here influence my views on Queer issues
I yield to same sex marriage being legal
One good thing about same sex marriage is that same sex marriage is only a first step in recognizing the diversity of human relationships DemSocialistsAmerica
I hope that the LGBTQ community attracts more libertarians to it cause. It is worrisome that the only people who are standing up for freedom of speech in the community are rightoids. It's only recently since the mid 2010s that we've seen more political or thought diversity from such communities. right wing lgbtq reddit
The SJWs have gotten away with planting their idelogies in the community and its only causing more division in our society. Other than seeing an amicable solution between gays and religious people upon equal marriage, it has instead become nothing but a petty mud slinging fest with trivial disputes over things like wedding cakes and pizza. Having celebrities such as Ellen Page enflame such tensions does not help at all.
Such division and intolerance on both sides could cause religious people who were already homoskeptic to become full on homophobes right wing lgbtq reddit
I support Queer Nationalism (i.e Left wing Nationalisms that have Queer factions). covert way of saying Homonationalism (polcompball)
This reddit thread makes a case that at least some people who oppose same sex marriage aren't evil or doing so out of hate
Every gay or bisexual person from Earth in our reality past present or future has zillions of clones in alternate realities who are straight for their entire lives from birth to death.
Every straight person from Earth in our reality past present or future has zillions of clones in alternate realities who are gay for their entire lives from birth to death
If I was in an alternate reality where there was like 6 or more biological sexes of people on Earth (that were as opposite of male and female as male and female are opposite of each other), instead of just two biological sexes, then in those realities I would do the following. I would in those realities endorse and advocate for gays to at least become bisexual (but ideally gender fluid, gay curious or heteroflexible) since there would be more biological sexes for gays to choose from then just male/female.
I believe that nearly all gays form Earth would be at least bisexual (but ideally gender fluid, gay curious or heteroflexible) if there were like 6 or more biological sexes of people on Earth (that were as opposite of male and female as male and female are opposite of each other), instead of just two biological sexes
In those alternate realities I would say “I feel in my conscious that in this alternate reality gays should have the same type of bonds and relationships with people of their own sex that David and Jonathan had with each other in the bible instead of being gay though I am fine with people being gender fluid, gay curious or heteroflexible" (and for females a female version of that)
in links above:
in links above Michael Warner's The Truth with Normal" (from Wikipedia) suggested by queer theory reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerTheory/comments/y7m5du/recommendations_for_antiassimilationist_queer/
The Trouble with Normal argues that same-sex marriage should not be the sole goal for gay rights activism; that gay activists should work toward equal benefits for domestic partners and unconventional families.
When national LGBTQ activists insist on the overriding importance of marriage, the book argues, it stigmatizes queer people who choose other types of relationships, while ignoring a broad range of legal benefits that could help the entire community, not just legally married couples.
Criticizing those who present gay marriage and the repeal of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy as the sole remaining aims of the (American) gay rights movement, Warner contends that the institutional sanctioning of certain types of relationship always comes at the expense of others, which are constituted by contrast as abnormal, inferior, and shameful.[http://www.salon.com/books/feature/1999/12/08/warner/] "
He argues that any queer rights movement would do better to abandon the pursuit of normality in favour of campaigning for the recognition of broader varieties of sexual expression as dignified"
Chapter One criticizes the idea that there is some morally compelling aspect to "normality", arguing that the normal range is simply a statistical category to which there is no ethical obligation to correspond: "If normal just means within a common statistical range, there is no reason to be normal or not
Same Sex marriage basically erases Queer culture and that is a major issue with same sex marriage for me Radical queer subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerTheory/comments/y7m5du/recommendations_for_antiassimilationist_queer/ The problem with mainstream LGBTQ activism is that it leaves behind the most vulnerable queer people -- young Queer people who are abandoned by their families.
Strengthening the traditional parental family by way of making the traditional parental family more inclusive and open to gay couples perpetuates the dominance of the parental family norm that it has in culture and law.
This makes sure that the parental family continues to be an anti-queer factory that leads to excessive violence on LGBTQ teenagers and makes it so that the LGBTQ population in its entirity is forever structurally disadvantaged in society.
"Queer rejectionism" means I (as a Queer ally) resist by me supporting Queer people declining to participate in the institutions of Queer oppression as a matter of prefigurative politics. I support a decline of coupling, a decline of family formation. Live your life more queerly. https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerTheory/comments/y7m5du/recommendations_for_antiassimilationist_queer/
Queer rejectionism's prefigurative politics is similar to the Occupy Wall Street movement who had an embrace of non-hierarchical consensus decision-making also embraced prefigurative politics which made it a fundamentally anarchist project.
This was similar to the Arab Spring, as David Graeber once pointed out "the opening salvo in a wave of negotiations over the dissolution of the American Empire"
Gay Marriage is a Conservative Cause is a good article and I agree with its points on same sex marriage radical queers reddit
TLTR: The Queer community needs to bring the revolution home (including on fighting for what Michael Warner called for in The Trouble with Normal, along with the other things mentioned above and below) and to never let bourgeois simplicity seduce gays into taking the easy path (i.e same sex marriage) from radical queer reddit tweaked + https://www.reddit.com/r/radicalqueers/comments/4rg6xn/what_does_being_a_radical_queer_mean_to_you/ to form my own thought close to my own on this 'gays have it too easy nowadays'
You can read stories about gays who went to gay clubs decades ago https://www.unddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/w251qt/are_homophobes_gay/
It is offbase to believe that everyone in the past was all homophobic and bigoted. It's a tad delusional to be honest. The only people that were bigots decades ago were some older southern people.
The con job is that the establishment manipulates our youth by making them believe that everyone older was discriminatory against marginalized people and that it's up to us to save them.
I'm late Gen-X. A lot of Gen X were raised by boomer hippies who were rabidly anti-racist and pro equality. They were also the generation who were into things like Disco which mixed LGBTQ culture and black culture together
The argument about if homophobes are secretly gay started during the Gen X generation as a way to shame people who criticized gay people. "If you have a problem with gay people, maybe you're just in denial". It was legitimately only a middle school locker room quip that the media and sociologists latched on to and ran with particularly after the issue began to turn 'political' after a few religious chud types got caught in scandals.
They cite some study done in the mid 1990s but then kind of dismisses the results by claiming that cultural attitudes were way different back then. It was only 25+ years ago. Here is a Kids in the Hall skit that came out around the same time.
Attitudes during the 1980s were significantly more individual based. Gays weren't that collectivized or politicized until the 1990s. Gays were also raised with the Kinsey Scale which basically states that everyone is a little gay. (ndsap according to wikipedia Homosexuality according to scientism and sexology homosexuality can be felt by normal people and not just an abnormal minority which can open up new avenues to help LGBTQ people get more rights, and become more accepted by society which would help LGBTQ people become happier and healthier ndsap according to wikipedia)
The understanding was that sexuality was a sliding scale. It wasn't an on off switch. Currently, you're for all intents and purposes forced to be identified as LGBTQ. which appears to be backwards and counterproductive imho
We were also taught that gay people were like ten percent of the population. 1 in 10 chance someone is gay. Out of a 40 person class, odds were that 4 of those people were gay.
Current stats show this to be lower. about five percent of the US population identifies as gay so it's actually in the realm of 1 in 20. Stats for trans people are also lower hovering around 0.7% of the population.
My view is this issue is like so due to the US corporate establishment exploiting gay people as a collective to influence the other 95% of the population, the same way they do with other demographics. Make it a political thing by pairing it versus the Evangelical Christian scam industry that fleeces their supporters by disposing gays .
Though according to other people described lived experiences of someone born in the 1980s or to other people born earlier they may see things differently. They might remember seeing many people going nuts over Ellen coming out or thinking back to constant homophobic barbs from family, other adults and children on the playground.
They might remember how some people mindlessly thought that is was scary or shameful that someone was gay.
I'm not trying to whitewash anything , my regular blogs show that I always talk about natural rights, common good constitutionalism, our constitution proving the same sex marriage was always allowed, Fourth Political theory a-temporal etc. So here I go farther by showing tangible evidence how gays have been more accepted for longer than they think
In my other blogs I mention how I don't like pride being used . Below I combine those two points
Ellen DeGeneres 'came out' in 1997 on her sitcom Ellen after Disney acquired ABC in 1995. FOX News began airing in 1996. This is all the things that i've been going on and on about. Corporations own all of our media and they perpetually exploit marginalized demographics like gays by using partisan controlled politics.
Disney used Ellen's sexuality as a marketing gimmick so that they could renew interest in ABC since ABC was always seen as a boring family friendly network. They had to make ABC become fresh again so that they could appeal to new pro gay demographics
Madonna did Vogue in 1990. This was at a time when Hollywood took over underground counterculture and made it mainstream. They did a full 180 on attitudes towards gay people since the increasingly big counterculture was highly pro gay.
Here is a scene from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure from 1989. It's seen as homophobic to some SJWs. Keanu Reeves went on to make My Own Private Idaho in 1991 which was an indie queer art house film. This is also at a time when Hollywood took over the indie film industry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Own_Private_Idaho
Hollywood pivoted from using gays as cheap jokes for lame comedies to being absolutely pro gay in the early 1990s because they appropriated the culture from the underground. The reason that Vogue got big is due to the fact that it was at the time that they appropriated rave culture from gay clubs which is the place that everyone went to hear electro music.
Disco began in 1970s. Disco was the appropriation of black and gay club culture catered to mainstream straight white fans.
Disco lasted less than a decade as a mainstream trend (then there was post disco) but it was popular when it started. It went underground again and was played typically in gay clubs in the early 1980s. Gay people and punks were allied with each other. Punk clubs back then were queer friendly in that if someone attempted to mess with a gay person, they would get beat up
Disco evolved into electro music due to European remixes. Kate Bush's 12" club mix is a prime example of this
https://youtu.be/PXVxpgHjV1Y
Raves were club after party events where people wanted to keep dancing after the last call
They originally were just private parties for staff and friends which caused them to be enviable to club goers. It ended up being loved by high schoolers and promoters began putting on legal raves to capitalize off this new trend.
Madonna was popular on the gay club scene so once raves became somewhat mainstream, Vogue took off and showed aspects of the gay club culture to people..
https://youtu.be/nimxowF8yWY
Literally beginning in at the start of the 1990s, gay culture became hijacked by the commercial media industry. From some peoples perspective, it would seem that gay people were consistently under attack from the religious rightoids because that's all some people especially people born in the 1990s ever had seen
Some people though saw gays go from being fairly well accepted individually and socially to being turned into a commercialized tool for tabloid sensationalists and your sleazy ass ad/marketing industries and propped up against your corporate owned 'right wing' networks and scumbag evangelicals.
I don't hate Christians. I hate the people that hijacked American Christians and turned them into a bunch of haters for profit.
In the 90s is when the media turned gays into political pawns by collectivizing them under the new LGBTQ label, established FOX News, and cranked up the partisan hate machine that's when things got dicey for gays and where homophobia became ramped up
In the 1980s, media outlets like FOX News that allowed the type of hate speech and rhetoric they use now didn't exist.. There were laws that kept the media from allowing that sort of b.s
Chuds didn't have a platform decades ago to allow them proliferate those anti lgbtq narratives to the masses.
The US corporate media industry assisted FOX's turn in becoming right wing so they could use this divisive mumbo jumbo against the US public.
I was a 'gay ally' during the 2000s and as this set of blogs and my other blogs show I go beyond that now. That won't change
In the 1980s, we didn't have ramblings like we have now where gays are used for corporate optics to pander to consumers who somehow, someway think shopping helps gay people be treated equally
Gay people weren't put on parade and manuvered to pander to target liberal consumers the same way they are currently
Check out this Taco Bell commercial.
This commercial is attempting to promote 'diversity' by being inclusive by having gay and minority characters. That's commendable but who eats a taco inside of a library, spills half of it inside a book, then slams it shut? Sorry, it's hardly even relevant though that just bugs the sh*t out of me. Way to ruin stuff for others
That commercial is only an example of corporations exploiting minorities in advertising. They do it in Canada too including by making it look like marginalized groups upper class people and partyers make up the majority of the population via their commercials. Those commercials are bigoted toward marginalized people
Of course there was homophobia back in the day but it wasn't close to as severe as it is currently..
Decades ago there was no platforms like FOX or CNN to spread their partisan b.s like they do currently.
Decades ago there was no religious channels so that hardline homophobic variant of southern Baptist type of Christianity wasn't as widespread as it is now
Gay people also never did parade while wearing assless chaps either. A few of the gay people I heard some Gen X lgbtq person mention were extremely conservative dressers. They wore suits to work, button up shirts when not at work. They never dress like extras from the Blue Oyster Bar.
There was gay people that did dress like they do now some of the times decades ago but it wasn't commonly people's standard outfits.
Christians have really no sane argument to dislike gays.. Put gays on parade in front of children wearing bondage gear, and all of a sudden the moral brigade has an argument to trumpet.
It wasn't gays that decided to go dress up like that. The media blatantly encouraged it to sensationalize the issue and to make it become controversial.
Put plenty of gays out there in dockers and what would their haters say 'oh no, these people are raising our property values'. The anti gay people would have looked like even larger fools and lose their old religious base to syphon money off of..
I am however not denying the prevalence and seriousness of homophobia but I will find more to backup my claims above. I have to go beyond having a toddler’s understanding of homophobia and queer identities to cement my points above about how gays had it as good or better decades ago https://www.unddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/w251qt/are_homophobes_gay/ (also used a few counterpoints from said thread)
In Alain Badiou’s Ethics: An Essay on the Understanding of Evil book (see here) , he argues that human rights only serves to justify and reinforce the ideology of the status quo and this is similar to the Queer theory. The Queer theory similarly states that same sex marriages normalizes the cultured gender norms and economic inequalities of marriage into the LGBT community. .
I Alain Badiou’s Ethics: An Essay on the Understanding of Evil book (see here)
To me, I supports queers (i.e gays) rejecting the positive project of liberal idpol, resisting assimilation into society-at-large, fighting and free loving for their own joy, constantly being determined to burn down the state and capitalist infrastructure that causes us to remain in shackles. reddit radical queers
Queerness should not be defined by the labels of idpol, terms such as "non-binary" and "gay" are terms to only construct a bigger cage for LGBTQ people in which they can move with slightly more freedom - yet still a cage nonetheless.
Queerness is a project that should be a negation of society (similar to Afro Pessimism negation) to all of those constructs that tell LGBTQ people who or what they are and limit what they want to be, and the chains - no matter how nice - that tell them what "identity" truly is. It means to inhabit the unstable space of what is non-normative and what threatens the stability society and civilization itself.reddit radical queers
As long as straight people make babies there will luckily be gay people being born. Moreover there is surrogacy and artifical wombs
Some radical queers want a genetic survey to be able to make sure that all kids born in Antartica (yes, very very long story) will be born gay, and then remove any genetic diseases, give them optimum health, and 300 IQ points in all nine types of intelligence.reddit radical queers (also mentioned Queer nationalism w link)
Sparatan homosexuality of Futurism is base. polcompball homonationalism
The word fag comes from the nonsensical idea and lame misconception that gay men are all merely sluts and prostitutes here to satisfy the sexual needs of the dominant straight men. This is because gay prostitutes a long long time ago offered sailors a cigarette in the alley behind bars
Some Queer radicals say that if fellow Queers are such wimps that they have to get the straight load to feel any sort of self-worth, then to those Queer radicals those beta Queers are ;worthless little faggots; who they do not want in their queer revolution (they are correct to favor queer revolutions over getting their straight loads imho). https://archive.is/jSZsz#selection-2353.0-2357.211
I agree with Jasbir Puar when she said that traditional heteronormative ideologies now find accompaniment from "homonormative" ideologies replicating the same hierarchical ideals concerning maintenance of dominance in terms related to race, class, gender, and nation-state, a set of ideologies that she calls "homonationalism"
Jasbir Puar is correct that homonationalism is a "form of sexual exceptionalism (i.e gay exceptionalism) that is dependent on the segregation and disqualification of racial and sexual others from the dominant image of a particular society, most often discussed within an American framework"
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